[Techtalk] Raven should not leave!

[Jenn Vesperman]

On Mon, 2002-09-23 at 12:00, Robert Wichert wrote:
> This is silly.
> 
> Raven is a great person, very helpful and very knowledgeable.
> 
> What have we done to drive her off?
 
> Whoppo wrote:
> > 
> > I'm absolutely amazed at the amount of effort is being put into this
> > thread. 

The topic is interesting in the abstract. A lot of people have very
intense feelings about spam.
I'm not surprised that a topic about dealing with spam has attracted a
lot of effort and energy.

> > Raven has been a member of this list since I've known her and until just
> > a few minutes ago was one of the admins of this list. As I'm typing
> > this, she is un-subscribing herself and relinquishing her admin rights..
> > Why? My guess is that she's had enough of this... her contributions to
> > this list and the time she spends helping its administration should not
> > make her a target for abusive commentary because of the way we deal with
> > unwanted email.

Three issues here. 
One:

Unless I've missed things in skimming the thread, noone has actually
intended to abuse or upset Raven. As far as they're concerned, they've
discussed the policy, not the person. They want to decide for themselves
whether the policy is good or not, and what to do about it.

Two:
While I appreciate people's contributions - LinuxChix couldn't run
without them! - I don't feel that the time-and-energy anyone puts into
it makes their ideas and opinions sacrosanct. I expect people to
criticise my ideas, or Val's, or Mary's, or Eli Therese', or .. well.
Everyone's. So long as people have been only criticising Raven's ideas,
I'm fine with it. 
Ok, it's been a bit volatile and the sheer number of criticisms would
get anyone down. It should probably be a more abstract discussion - and
if anyone wants to start an abstract discussion on spam-blocking
techniques that do and don't work on issues, please do so!

Three:
If I've missed something, and someone - anyone - has critised
Raven-the-person, then please PLEASE tell me, or tell
techtalk-admin at linuxchix.org. 
We DO have mechanisms in place for handling people criticising people
rather than ideas, or abusing either people or ideas. Please use them,
rather than just leaving.



I'm very, very sorry to hear that Raven was so hurt, and wishes to
leave.


Jenn V.
-- 
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