[Techtalk] New to the list...new to linux

the sunlover2 thesunlover2 at hotmail.com
Mon Oct 1 06:30:56 EST 2001

Have you heard of CBT - Computer Base Tutor (training)? If you do, do you 
like it?

I have some CBTs for Unix, Linux, Solaris, HP-UX, etc. If anyone is 
interested in them, contact me. I will probably ask you to find some 
Checkpoint Firewall 1 training materials for me as trade.

I am sorry about the commerial...

>From: "Rachel Herold" <rherold at earthlink.net>
>To: <techtalk at linuxchix.org>
>Subject: Re: [Techtalk] New to the list...new to linux
>Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 11:10:33 -0700
>I thught I would jump in here and give my opininos on the questions asked
>below.  Yes, if there was a simple guide available it would be cool, but 
>to design it...
>My thoughts embedded below.
>..another brand new unix user
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Magni Onsoien" <magnio+lc-techtalk at pvv.ntnu.no>
> > So, a challenge to you: how should materials be presented to YOU in
> > order for you to understand it, besides being told exactly what to do?
>I think tactile learning works best for quite a few people.  installing 
>taught me quite a bit.  I also found an on-line sysadmin "teaching" site
>that though I dind't understand it when I read it thru the first couple
>times it was much clearer when I started the install and messing around 
>setting it up.
>MY first article would be to list, if there are such differences, versions
>of unix/linux with good install programs (SuSe has YaST that is very newbie
>friendly) and some lists of online sysadmin (teaching) sites.  I've been
>using http://www.uwsg.indiana.edu/usail/ as it has a decent basic theory
>section and the more involved sysadmin section.
>I still believe in tactile learning and would love to get on the system and
>poke around but if I am a brand new user I don't know the basic commands.
>How do I list my files?  How do I find the man pages?  Basic user commands
>are very difficult (or were for me) to find on the net. I would love a 
>that lists maybe 10 of the most basic commands.  ls, cd, man, with the most
>basic, say maybe 2 or 3, attributes.  So, -l with ls, and isn't there a
>command something like "more" that you can use with ls to present one page
>of files at a time?  stuff like that so a new user can start exploring 
>new system.
>(note: I installed SuSe by myself, found my files, found my man pages for
>"ls" but they were all in german! ack!  talking with other people this is
>apparently common because SuSe is a german version of linux and there is a
>command to change the option there, yes, the OS was installed in English,
>it's just the man pages that are in german.  So if there are wierd things
>like that that are potentially fatal to the learning process it might be
>nice to put in a note about how/where to find the solution for that)
>Once I've got a handle on the system, or feel that I do, then I am ready to
>start reading books and finding more.  Since I then feel that I have
>something to build on.  This is where I'd love to see a list of books with
>maybe a short line of who there intended audience is.  I assume that some
>books are targeted towards window's sysadmins while others may be targeted
>to grandma pearl who's never had a computer in her life, while others,
>probably most, may be targeted to your general windows or mac accomplished
>to super-user.
>That is where I would go to learn how to copy 3 files instead of just two
> > Then the challenge: how should materials be presented? What's wrong with
> > today's presentation? Is it too complicated, even when explaining the
> > most simple things, is the progression to big, isn't there any
> > progression at all? Where do you look for files, are you afraid of doing
> > something wrong, to break something, where do you look for 
> > what is the logical way for you to do things?
>see above for my preferred order of materials.  as to how, I like the
>personality of the author to show thru, but that is not always possible I
>Complicated.. if you're used to point and click then the command line with
>36 letters and symbols can be intimidating.  How about writing out a 
>line then taking each individual piece and very shortly explaining that
>piece, with a note to see pg. whatever for further info or a note to look 
>"ls in the man pages for further info" or some such if needed.
>This not only teaches a new user what the basics are but also teaches them,
>possibly unawares, where to go for more knowledge so when they have further
>questions they will have an idea of where to find the info.
>files- for me, it's more a matter of "what do I do with it?"  I would love
>to get my modem set up but to do so I have to figure out if my modem is
>supported.  There are not any driver files up on my modem's support site.
>Does linux need certain drivers like windows does?  I don't know, I haven't
>found that information yet anywhere.  Once my modem is set up I'd like to 
>web-browsing so I could do my study on the system I'm studying, instead of
>having to boot into windows and doing my studying there.  So no, it's not
>really that I'm afraid to use it, it's that there are parts that I haven't
>figured out how to do yet so have difficulty using it like I'd like to.
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