[Techtalk] Opinions/Experiences Needed: Mailing list bouncing problem

[Akkana Peck]

Cynthia Kiser writes:
> Personally I think option 1 seems the most reasonable. 
> 
> > - Rewrite the From: header with the poster's name 'via the list' and the
> > list's address and merge the poster's address into Reply-To:
> 
> I understand wanting to be RFC compliant but this solution seems to be
> the most consistent and gives very usable results. 

I'll chime in with a counter opinion. Yahoo Groups recently made
the first part of the change: every message to the list is
rewritten, to every recipient, to be from
"Sender's Name" <listname at yahoogroups.com>.

I hate it. It means that when I go to that mail folder in mutt,
I can't tell who's participating in the discussion; all messages
come from the same sender, the list.

And it's hard to reply to someone: you have to display the message
then carefully select just the email address, then reply and edit
the email address to the thing you just copied.

If we set Reply-to to the poster's address, that helps the second
part, but not the first; and we'll break anybody who actually
needs to set Reply-to to something other than the sending address,
as well as breaking RFCs.

Re the "dmarc_moderation_action" Munging/Wrapping:

Terry> Munging/Wrapping - Both of these options impact all members because both
Terry> change the Reply-To and From headers.  If done selectively, only
Terry> messages from domains with policies of reject/quarantine will be
Terry> changed.  The message From: header would be "abc via techtalk
Terry> <techtalk at linuxchix.org>".  Reply-To would be abc at yahoo.com AND
Terry> techtalk at linuxchix.org.

In the pre-discussion we had on the sysadmin list, I was under the
impression that the munging option only munged mail that was both
FROM and TO people from affected domains -- i.e. that if someone
with an address from an affected sent to the list, it would show up
normally for most people, and only be munged in the copies being
sent to people from other affected domains. But you're saying here
that munging or wrapping would change headers for everybody ...
so did I misunderstand the earlier discussion?

Even if I did, it would still mean that most messages would go out
normally, we wouldn't be breaking RFCs or making it hard for users
to tell who sent what message, so I'd still be in favor of it --
except for the Reply-To. If Reply-To would be abc at yahoo.com AND
techtalk at linuxchix.org for messages from Yahoo, but just the sender
for everybody else, that sounds very broken. No one could ever
make an assumption about where their replies would go, whether they
were replying to one person or the whole list.

Is there really no Mailman option to munge From just for affected
domains without setting Reply-to to go to the whole list?

I am so bummed that a few big ISPs are massively breaking mailing
list usability for the whole internet. :-(

        ...Akkana