[Techtalk] Over-zealous spam filtering (by Raven's ISP?)

[L J Laubenheimer]

Whoppo wrote:
> This thread needs to end.

No, no, and you can't make me, nyeah, nyeah... ;)

> The "vocal subset" of this list wins. (YAY for you!)
> Our spam policy sucks.. but it is OUR policy. We have tried other options and 
> they are not nearly as effective as what we're doing now.. so it's just not 
> likely to change.. 

No one likes spam.  But finding the balance between offending legitimate 
mailers and allowing the spammer jerks to abuse your bandwidth is not easy. 
Instead of whining about being judged, maybe you could spend you time 
discussing the various alternatives, and how successful they've been, or not. 
  You aren't the only person who admins (or has admined) a server (or several) 
on this list.

> Please get past this and continue with your lives!

Only if you will "get past" your condescending attitude.

> I *may* even concede just a little and replace the phrase "sh*t-list" with 
> something more appropriate.. but bear in mind that what I consider to be more 
> appropriate is MY call..  not yours. 

Never denied it was your call.  I, and others, merely pointed out that it was 
offensive.  Deal with that fact.

> As for Raven leaving the list: I don't blame her. She joined this list a LONG 
> time ago to help promote T-E-C-H-N-I-C-A-L discussions.. not to be judged by 
> the way we handle spam... not to be told how to admin our own systems.

Well, I for one don't appreciate being told to "get past" it and "continue 
with your lives", either.  You complain about double standards, now reap what 
you sow.

No one has tried to tell you how to admin your own systems.  They have said 
that your methods are offensive to them, and have made suggestions on 
alternatives that would be less offensive and/or more productive.  If you 
can't handle that, maybe you need to re-evaluate some things inside yourselves.

> What 
> we do with our systems is simply none of your business.

This is a misleading comment.  When the actions you take on your system 
*impact others*, it *becomes* their business, and they right to have opinions 
and judgments on how you do it.  That's why we despise spammers in the first 
place, complain vociferously about open relays, and all of that.

> This particular 
> incident is not the only reason she's unsubscribed herself.. there are 
> others, but she isn't about to waste everyones bandwidth with the details as 
> it would probably be fruitless, and much like this thread... OFF TOPIC.

No, this thread is very on topic.  It is both a technical and social issue. 
User perceptions often are technical issues.  The whole "ease of use" debate 
is a prime example.

> So.. is there any reason to beat this dead horse any more? Anyone?  No?  well 
> good... give it a rest... please. 

Yes, there is.  On my part, it is merely because you want to unilaterally and 
  arbitrarily declare the thread dead.  I'm just plain ornery that way.

> We wish you all the best, and worry not, we'll be most cautious to not allow 
> that "proverbial door" hit us on the way out. 

Goodbye, and good riddance.

					Linda
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