[Techtalk] New to the list...new to linux
the sunlover2
thesunlover2 at hotmail.com
Sun Sep 30 06:50:55 EST 2001
You can try to get a ftp application such as WS-FTP to download your files
or directories. WS-FTP is a Windows application which can download files
from Unix.
http://www.wsftp.com/
>
>I've been reading through the RedHat starter guide, so I've gotten changing
>file permissions, listing directories, changing directories, etc. down pat.
>I'm using SSH and my specific task right now is to get the contents of a
>directory (the directory I copied files too earlier) in an accessible form
>(I can't even see all the contents as the super user in the file manager)
>so
>that I can download them to my machine to edit. I can see the contents at
>the command line, but not with the file manager. I tried downloading the
>whole directory...I got the file structure (sub dirs) but no files.
>
>I really don't understand this...I'm confused. I went in and manually set
>the permissions on each file to FULL for everyone (this is why I created a
>separate file) and I still can't pull them down.
>
>So I guess my questions are:
>
>Is there a way to set the permissions for the entire contents of a
>directory
>in one place?
>Why can't I download these files?
>
>WHY LORD! ALL I WANNA DO IS EDIT A FEW TEMPLATES!
>
>Uh, sorry...temporary insanity.
>
>Tianna
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: techtalk-admin at linuxchix.org
>[mailto:techtalk-admin at linuxchix.org]On Behalf Of Kai MacTane
>Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 12:28 AM
>To: techtalk at linuxchix.org
>Subject: RE: [Techtalk] New to the list...new to linux
>
>
>At 9/29/01 08:43 PM , Tianna Thomas wrote:
> >OK, I DID IT! My files have been copied...now I have to figure out how
>to
> >get access to those files to edit them. I might need help but I'm going
>to
> >TRY to get it on my own.
>
>What you probably want are ls -l, chown, and possibly chmod. "man chown"
>and "man chmod" should tell you all about those two, although you may want
>a bit of help understanding the chmod manual and options. (They're a bit
>confusing at first, unless you're used to thinking in octal...) "man ls"
>won't tell you enough about the -l flag ("flag" is another name for
>"switch"); it simply says:
>
> -l use a long listing format
>
>That "long listing format" gives you a wealth of information about each
>file, as follows. First an example of ls -l output:
>
>-rw-rw-r-- 1 kmactane kmactane 20355 Nov 6 2000 atm-october
>-rw-rw-r-- 1 root root 68 Dec 7 1999 backup-list
>drwxrwxr-x 2 kmactane kmactane 1024 Apr 19 14:36 bin/
>-rw-rw-r-- 1 kmactane kmactane 296970 Apr 30 22:29 bounce.txt
>-rwxrwxr-x 1 kmactane kmactane 23 Jul 5 2000 check-gateway*
>-rw-rw-r-- 1 kmactane kmactane 10262 Jul 31 16:06 codered
>-rw------- 1 kmactane kmactane 114688 Oct 11 2000 core
>drwxrwxr-x 9 kmactane kmactane 1024 Aug 13 14:44 devel/
>-rw------- 1 kmactane kmactane 70757 Jan 14 2000 diary
>-rw-rw-r-- 1 kmactane kmactane 1032 Jan 26 2000 docfile.gif
>
>The first column is the permissions -- a full explanation of those would
>take a bit, and I'll give it if you ask. The brief explanation is:
>
>If the first character is a "d", the file is a directory; otherwise, it's a
>normal file. (There are many other characters for various types of special
>files, but you hopefully won't encounter those for a bit.) Then there are
>three sets of "rwx" options, one each for the user who owns the file, the
>group that owns the file, and everyone else. r means that
>person/group/whatever can read the file; w means they can write to it, and
>x means they can execute it.
>
>Next comes the number of links the file has, which you can ignore. (Other
>listies: is that right? I use that column so seldom, I'm really not sure
>about that answer's correctness.) Then come the user and group that own the
>file. Then the number of bytes, the last modification time, and finally,
>the file's name.
>
>This listing is actually also using the -F option, which appends a special
>character to directories, symlinks, and executable files: / for
>directories, * for executables, and @ for symlinks.
>
>So, in the above listing, bin and dvel are directories. check-gateway is
>executable (probably some kind of Perl or shell script). core and diary can
>only be read and written by user kmactane. backup-list is owned by root; it
>can be read by anyone, but can only written by root, or by members of the
>root group.
>
>Make sense? So, using ls -l, you can easily find out what user(s) and
>group(s) own the files in a given directory, and then you can use chown to
>change their ownerships (if you have write permission to them in the first
>place).
>
> >Thanks SO MUCH for your help. Figuring out how to do even that simple
> >procedure would have taken me all weekend. I have to say that I've never
> >gotten quite this calibre of assistance from any of my ASP or NT lists.
>
>You're welcome. I know Microsoft keeps trying to say that Linux "isn't
>supported", but it's really not true. Only Microsoft can provide support
>for their systems (if you pay their support fees, and don't mind waiting on
>hold for hours...), but Linux is supported by thousands or even millions of
>users worldwide. (I'm just glad there are finally some questions coming out
>here that I can answer. I'd been feeling bad about getting so much
>assistance from this list without giving anything back yet...)
>
> >I might actually make it through this as long as you guys don't get tired
>of
> >*stupid* questions.
>
>So far, the questions haven't been stupid. Very basic, yes, but that's to
>be expected of newbies. No doubt we will eventually tire of answering
>basic-level questions, but hopefully by then you'll be past those. :)
>(Plus, we've got multiple people here to spread the
>basic-question-answering load around.)
>
>One of the myriad ways in which Unix, Linux, and their associated cultures
>are different from Windows, MacOS, and _their_ associated cultures is that
>there's an expectation that users should not only learn how to use the OS;
>they should also learn how to *learn more* about the OS. Someone earlier
>mentioned that Windows help files are generally not very helpful, and I'd
>agree. Heck, I'd amplify, by saying that Windows help files generally only
>tell you how to perform the most basic tasks, under the most standard
>circumstances -- things that most people should be able to figure out for
>themselves. Unix man pages, OTOH, tell you what *all* the options are; some
>of the more technical ones even tell you something about _exactly_ how a
>particular program, subroutine, or library function performs, so that you
>can figure out what it will do even when given weird or unexpected input.
>
>In short, Unix's various types of docs give you the information you need
>not only to perform everyday tasks, but also to explore, to tweak, and even
>to build on the system. This allows user to become far more empowered in
>the Unix, and especially the open-source Unix, world.
>
>I'm not saying you should go out and learn to program. But consider
>strongly the idea that, as you learn about the basic commands, the
>filesystem structure, and so on, you should also give some effort to
>learning how to learn more. It will help you immeasurably if you intend to
>do much work with Linux.
>
> >Oh yeah, I called my boss...we have a meeting Monday to discuss bringing
>in
> >a consultant. I want to learn this now, the box and I are at war.
>
>Yee-hah! And it looks like you *do* want to do more work with Linux.
>Congratulations!
>
>I wish you the best of luck.
>
> --Kai MacTane
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> Banshees,
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>
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