THanks! I put all the rpms it looked like i neded onto the iBook, and I'll try upgrading them this afternoon. If that doesn't wrk, I don't know what I'll do... cry, probably. Conni -- Since they're all rude, Hi, I'm Neil. http://www2.one-eyed-alien.net/~ccovingt http://www.angelfire.com/anime/Galadriel