[prog] State of software engineering profession

Jimen Ching jching at flex.com
Mon Apr 14 01:35:10 EST 2003

On Sun, 13 Apr 2003, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
>[Response to economic/intellectual investment and VM solutions.]

I'm having a hard time understanding your responses.  Some of the
responses actually support the qouted text, but from the wording, it seems
to be trying to do the opposite.

But many of the issues seems to stem from the fact that we have different
experiences and therefore, a different point of view.  The most likely
outcome of this thread is the both of us agreeing to disagree.

>> I haven't heard of any development process that says peer review is a bad
>> idea.  How often does the industry perform peer reviews of design and
>> implementation?  Matter of fact, the software industry goes out of its way
>Everyplace that I've worked has done in-house peer review of its most
>important code.

That's good.  I'm glad a best-practice is actually being used.  I hope we
don't have to wait 20 to 50 years before the industry catches on.

>> willing to accept the poor state of the profession.  Robert, if your
>> reasoning is a representation of the industry in general, then I can see
>> how we got here and how we are stuck here.
>No insult intended, I assume.  :)

If any insult was derived from the above, then clearly there was a poor
choice of words.

>> difficult problem.  If I'm having this much trouble just trying to
>> describe the situation, imagine the effort in selling the solution to the
>If you're having this much difficulty describing the problem, it's a
>strong sign you don't understand the problem.  Once problems are
>thoroughly understood and their causes clearly identified, they tend to
>be very easy to describe.

...and the solution to be easily found.  ;-)

But, this is yet another topic we may disagree on.

I think the problem could merely be due to a miscommunication.  It is
obvious I could have been more expressive about my point of view.  There
were numerous instances of where terminology got in the way.  And I blame
myself, of course.

Jimen Ching (WH6BRR)      jching at flex.com     wh6brr at uhm.ampr.org

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