[IndiChix] Chapter Name suggestions

Sat Mar 1 17:19:50 UTC 2008

Hey Vidya:

This is the constant exercise with you.

1. <Suggestion> gets offered
2. You <challenge> suggestions, even before anyone has said anything
3. Then there is a lamefest of <man/woman> discussion
4. Then <suggestion> gets punted off

I am not trying to pinpoint either. When you say "we", "them" who do you
mean? This is not some dias of argument. It appears there is an issue
related to the "chix" name. You raised the same concerns in LinuxChix main
mailing list and saw different perceptions, din't you?

I think this page Runa has set up is gonna offer clarification,
http://linuxchix.org.in/wiki/index.php/Chapter_Name_Suggestions#Ayes_and_Nos_for_a_Localized_Name

The paragraph under "Things/Points to be considered before the change" does
not come leader like but your name is signed at the very bottom of that
paragraph. So, guess you are owning up to your opinions?

LCIN is a chapter of LinuxChix. We must and should go by guidelines of
LinuxChix to have proper affiliation/representation. But that said, it is an
entity on its own. How we conduct activities/ perform outreach within India
is **our** business. No one can guide us in that capacity from main
LinuxChix..Does that seem rational to you.

The analogy to this would be UN, um just because India is part of UN, we
must change our constitution totally..no we should bring **something in** of
our own. We conform to the mandatory guidelines mebbe, but that does mean we
lose our identity..you see what I mean?

The main two mantras I see of LinuxChix are:

- Be polite, be helpful
- empower women who like Linux/FOSS as both men/women who support women in
computing.

As Aneesha points of this should be a community decision.

Thanks,
Gayathri

On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 11:20 PM, Vid Ayer <svaksha at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> In the spirit of trying to understand our goal for change (whatever it
> may be) I have some thoughts, queries which I would like answered
> because change and voting is a serious exercise, certainly not a
> monthly/annual excercise any group should indulge in without fully
> thinking out the consequences.
>
> Disclaimer : not replying to a specific mail/person.......
>
> On 2/29/08, Gayathri Swaminathan <gayathri.swa at gmail.com> wrote:
> > If the name is in the way of conducting activities, there
>
> Two different things (conducting activities and name)...so I am trying
> to understand why/what/where/how we are trying to change things in
> India ? :-
>
> - Is it people's mindsets in general, casual attendee's offering
> comments in a conference I speak at or people actually involved in a
> group with (dis)similar thoughts and attempts to help women in FLoss ?
>
> - Are we more interested in just the name or the *work* that  LCIN can
> do? If the latter is important we should find ways to collaborate with
> the local city-based LUG's, join their local work/meets and if none
> exist find ways to revive that work instead of trying to bring about a
> change in mindsets alone.
> I think you all agree that its the work that speaks than just the
> right name (if such a thing even exists) !!
>
>
>
> > needs to be some sort of facilitation. Could be as simple as <New Name>
> -
> > LinuxChix Indian chapter or something like that.
>
> I had asked this earlier too but it went unanswered/ignored ...I would
> llike to hear how people wishing a name change plan to handle the
> following ::
>
> 1] this list and our IRC channel still have 'Chix' appended.
> Currently LC hosts mailman and IRC for us but they will still have a
> '-Chix' appended to their name. [@linuxchix.org]. How do you see that
> changing ? Do you plan to continue using the linuxchix.org servers for
> hosting the list and irc channels or setup one with the new name?
>
> 2] Website : linuxchix.org.in, mirror's our affiliation to parent org.
> - How do you plan to address the confusion resulting from all this change?
> - Is there a plan to register a new-Indian-name domain instead? If
> yes, there needs to be clarity and discussion on who will own/register
> the domain. IMHO, to avoid individual control, it should preferably
> not be held by a single woman but a group of women.
> - Do you plan to move the website ?
>
> 3] When I talk about the LCIN with any person or at any local event I
> will be introducing it as a local chapter of Linuxchix (or is that
> going to change too?). How does one wish away the "Chix" fron the main
> Linuxchix.org because that word and hence questions on the word 'chix'
> will still crop up, despite us having an Indian name.  So how am I
> supposed to explain the different confusing names? How does one deal
> with the negative reactions of being a part of the main LinuxChix org
> ?
>
>
> > Can we do a page in wiki for polls on keep name/ change name? This
> > should give us an idea of how many people see it as being necessary.
>
> Assuming that we are getting more organised and voting for change, who
> gets to vote? Anyone with a mail ID or only women or only people we
> have met/known (how do we decide that person X really knows/met Y/Z) ?
>
> What about 2 years down the line when more people join us and dislike
> whatever and by sheer strength of numbers starts asking for
> 'foo-change' on account of 'foo-reason'. Do we have plans to address
> their concerns because they are valid too?
>
> Right now I am not clear what changes we will be voting for because a
> name change involves all of the points I raised above. I have more
> concerns but would like some clarifications on the very basics first.
>
> Thanks,
> Vid
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