[Techtalk] Opinions/Experiences Needed: Mailing list bouncing problem

[Leslie MacDougall]

Hi, I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask my question but I can't
log in to linuxchix anymore. I have lost my password and can't even reset
it as my email address is not being recognized. I'm wondering if this is
something to do with the bouncing problem in this email thread, which I
followed through my inbox here and, as best I could, followed the advice
and instructions given.

I still get all questions from the mailing lists to which I subscribed, so
I am very confused about it says I'm not recognized. I want to post a
slightly technical question and cannot do so. Can somebody please help me?

Thank-you for  your kind and helpful attitudes to everything here, you all
do a great job.
Regards from Leslie


On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 12:17 PM, Akkana Peck <akkana at shallowsky.com> wrote:

> Cynthia Kiser writes:
> > Personally I think option 1 seems the most reasonable.
> >
> > > - Rewrite the From: header with the poster's name 'via the list' and
> the
> > > list's address and merge the poster's address into Reply-To:
> >
> > I understand wanting to be RFC compliant but this solution seems to be
> > the most consistent and gives very usable results.
>
> I'll chime in with a counter opinion. Yahoo Groups recently made
> the first part of the change: every message to the list is
> rewritten, to every recipient, to be from
> "Sender's Name" <listname at yahoogroups.com>.
>
> I hate it. It means that when I go to that mail folder in mutt,
> I can't tell who's participating in the discussion; all messages
> come from the same sender, the list.
>
> And it's hard to reply to someone: you have to display the message
> then carefully select just the email address, then reply and edit
> the email address to the thing you just copied.
>
> If we set Reply-to to the poster's address, that helps the second
> part, but not the first; and we'll break anybody who actually
> needs to set Reply-to to something other than the sending address,
> as well as breaking RFCs.
>
> Re the "dmarc_moderation_action" Munging/Wrapping:
>
> Terry> Munging/Wrapping - Both of these options impact all members because
> both
> Terry> change the Reply-To and From headers.  If done selectively, only
> Terry> messages from domains with policies of reject/quarantine will be
> Terry> changed.  The message From: header would be "abc via techtalk
> Terry> <techtalk at linuxchix.org>".  Reply-To would be abc at yahoo.com AND
> Terry> techtalk at linuxchix.org.
>
> In the pre-discussion we had on the sysadmin list, I was under the
> impression that the munging option only munged mail that was both
> FROM and TO people from affected domains -- i.e. that if someone
> with an address from an affected sent to the list, it would show up
> normally for most people, and only be munged in the copies being
> sent to people from other affected domains. But you're saying here
> that munging or wrapping would change headers for everybody ...
> so did I misunderstand the earlier discussion?
>
> Even if I did, it would still mean that most messages would go out
> normally, we wouldn't be breaking RFCs or making it hard for users
> to tell who sent what message, so I'd still be in favor of it --
> except for the Reply-To. If Reply-To would be abc at yahoo.com AND
> techtalk at linuxchix.org for messages from Yahoo, but just the sender
> for everybody else, that sounds very broken. No one could ever
> make an assumption about where their replies would go, whether they
> were replying to one person or the whole list.
>
> Is there really no Mailman option to munge From just for affected
> domains without setting Reply-to to go to the whole list?
>
> I am so bummed that a few big ISPs are massively breaking mailing
> list usability for the whole internet. :-(
>
>         ...Akkana
>
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