On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Vid Ayer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:vid@svaksha.com">vid@svaksha.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Hello everyone,<br>
<br>
Happy 2009. Thanks Hassath and Archu for stemming the vitriolic<br>
personal attacks and a Big thanks to all those who saw the issues at<br>
hand and did the right thing by speaking up for the Indichix project.<br>
<br>
To put things in perspective :<br>
<br>
* For all those jumping to conclusions about people leaving and<br>
splitting the group, please stop the illogical false claims and<br>
hyperbole. That is neither polite nor helping this group.<br>
* Just a note, that in the last one year we have almost doubled the<br>
number of list members and we will only improve with time.<br>
<br>
<br>
On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 9:48 PM, Gayathri Swaminathan<br>
<<a href="mailto:gayathri.swa@gmail.com">gayathri.swa@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Thanks for getting us back on track. Now the "why" is clear, lets do focus<br>
> on the "how" part this year.<br>
<br>
TBH, your mails are confusing and its not clear what you are<br>
proposing. Care to explain how 'we are back on track' and what is the<br>
"why" and "how" part. As many others have pointed out the domain<br>
[<a href="http://linuxchix.org.in" target="_blank">http://linuxchix.org.in</a>] is still controlled by a woman who left this<br>
list of her own accord, is not a part of the LC-IN project's<br>
activities, and never informed us the domain will expire in Dec2008,<br>
but quietly renewed it, again, without informing the members.<br>
<br>
That said, threatening to fork the project is not the best way to<br>
behave in a community. Quoting the LC motto "Be polite, Be<br>
respectful", I'd add that "People come and go, Projects remain" and<br>
any community is made up of its people. LC was specifically created 10<br>
years ago because of the negativity and nastiness that used to exist<br>
and Deb wanted to change that in the Libre software community. Do we<br>
want to go ahead or reverse all the work that so many women have done<br>
over the decade? Time to think about the road ahead.<br>
<br>
<br>
> Perhaps work on efforts under two heads:<br>
><br>
> - Technical implications - meaning domain registration, hosting,<br>
<br>
Moot point remains unsolved, see above. Surely you agree that<br>
projects should be open and transparent and that is the way LC has<br>
been run over the last 10 years. Without resolving the domain issue<br>
its futile to discuss about hosting server and website transfer. Its<br>
detrimental to pretend a problem does not exist and turn a blind eye.<br>
As Hassath said : Lets solve the basic problem of domain control. and<br>
if anyone wants to suggest solutions, please speak up.<br>
<br>
<br>
> - Functional implications - formation of interest/ focus groups ( keeping up<br>
> content, information, disbursing events, attending to media queries etc.,)<br>
> and identifying related roles.<br>
><br>
> Have hung out at Indichix for about a year now and think the lack of defined<br>
> "admins/volunteers" does raise various concerns. Kinda like "too many cooks<br>
> in the kitchen" problem. This is good as everyone gets involved (don't get<br>
> me wrong) but the presentation/statement of issues, guiding discussions does<br>
> not happen well.<br>
<br>
"too many cooks" ??? Are you being sarcastic?? Never mind, maybe you<br>
missed reading this mail where Barkha Khatri[1] announced that she has<br>
ssh access to the <a href="http://foss.in" target="_blank">foss.in</a> server and her second mail saying Aneesha<br>
[2] is the second admin for MIA situations. Both of them are still<br>
subscribed here so two server admins does not seem like "too many<br>
cooks" to me.<br>
<br>
[1] <a href="http://mailman.linuxchix.org/pipermail/indichix/2008-January/000806.html" target="_blank">http://mailman.linuxchix.org/pipermail/indichix/2008-January/000806.html</a><br>
[2] <a href="http://mailman.linuxchix.org/pipermail/indichix/2008-February/000889.html" target="_blank">http://mailman.linuxchix.org/pipermail/indichix/2008-February/000889.html</a><br>
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@Mani A <<a href="mailto:a.mani.cms@gmail.com">a.mani.cms@gmail.com</a>><br>
> 1 admin team<br>
> 1 website admin team<br>
<br>
see above.<br>
<br>
> 1 mailing list team (though you just need to fix the rules ... )<br>
<br>
This [ <a href="http://linuxchix.org.in/wiki/index.php/Netiquette" target="_blank">http://linuxchix.org.in/wiki/index.php/Netiquette</a> ] is sent out<br>
in the welcome message when you join the list. If you have more rules<br>
to be added, please say so. Better still create an account, make<br>
changes to the wiki, add your thoughts and tell us about it here.<br>
<br>
<br>
> The wiki format of the website does not seem to be encouraging<br>
<br>
Have you ever taken a look at various projects that use the wiki as a<br>
participatory tool, like Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, etc....<br>
<br>
<br>
That said, I'd request people to stop jumping to conclusions and<br>
fuelling or sidetracking the moot issue : how do we keep the<br>
<a href="http://linuxchix.org.in" target="_blank">linuxchix.org.in</a> domain with the project. Suggestions are welcome but<br>
trolling, and nastiness is not.<br>
<br>
--<br>
Vid</blockquote><div><br>I don't see how my responses are confusing. Archana got us on back to discussions on "why" the domain change is necessary and we need to discuss "how" to move on part. Am I interpreting her email incorrectly?<br>
<br>I reiterate my suggestions whatever past influences/ancient history has occurred only seems to inhibit further development. <br><br>If it is true that you/the other administrators do want to see better involvement / contribution from the other members, let's talk about what goals, where things are headed and how things can evolve. <br>
<br>As I have indicated already this list "<a href="mailto:indichix@linuxchix.org">indichix@linuxchix.org</a>" is treated as an open platform for all sorts of discussions - it's great to have many discourses shared however, there is no guidance/directions to these discussions. This leads to name calling, flaming, illogical and arbitrary threads, at the end of which one forgets what was the logical problem being discussed.<br>
<br>Further it only confuses "new members" to this list and the participants. It feels like there was a open discussions about an issue and the minute we give our feedback, we get punted for opinions. What guidelines/ protocols should be followed? Why not streamline discussions? Why start separate threads about same issue and further unhealthy discussions.<br>
<br>As Archana said, blowing minute small problems into humongous arguments, which leaves no room for discussing "big" problems.<br></div></div><br>-- <br>Gayathri Swaminathan<br>gpgkey: 3EFB3D39<br>Volunteer, FDP<br>